AnimeAndMangaFan (Guest)
Wed 18
Sep 201308:28PM UTC
You asked for it. I for sure didn't, but then I'm into canons that don't try to sell me the same story twice and I very much prefer to read the version my mood strikes me for and not a terrible forced together clash of anime and manga canon. I would wish for them to be separated and I don't see it as a headache at all.
Is there a need to get unpleasant about it? If you're into anime and manga, I assume you've already noticed that basically no one separates out the two versions when posting fic. AO3 artificially trying to insert a separation between mediums is not going to make the fans conform to your ideal behavior.
AnimeAndMangaFan (Guest)
Wed 18
Sep 201308:52PM UTC
No, I simply see people working with a system that has been copied from another site. It's not like there's another choice. If I separate, chance are extremely high, it's just going to get wrangled back into one fandom. People will mostly follow what's already there. If it had been separated from the beginning, people would no clamor against throwing them into the same sub-category.
Yes, I really dislike you speaking as if you were speaking and mind-reading the desires of all Manga and Anime fans.
I'm really confused by your hostile tone here. The things I've been restating are things that numerous other people have already brought up in the many, many discussions that have already been held on the subject of where anime/manga should fall in AO3's categories. I'm not "mind reading" anyone's desires, I've been summarizing the arguments that have already been made over the past months for the benefit of people who were wondering why the categorization ended up this way.
If you wish to continue this discussion please come back willing to talk respectfully on your own account under your own name.
AnimeAndMangaFan (Guest)
Wed 18
Sep 201309:05PM UTC
What? So I'm a second class user here, who doesn't get a say, because I don't have an account to show for cred?
You only now started to talk about numerous other people sharing you opinion, before it was always just Anime and Manga fans, as if we are a monolith and you hold all truth of what the monolith wants.
Yes, I'm calling for cred, because it's pretty obvious you're not using your name to avoid accountability for the fact that you decided to single me out to get hostile at. If you don't have an account you can at least use the name you go by.
At no point did I claim that the words "anime and manga fans" were meant to refer to every last person in anime and manga fandom, and frankly I think that would be obvious since I referred specifically only to people who contacted AO3 staff. I see that you may not be a native speaker of English, and if this is the case I encourage you not to nitpick people based on their wording. The people in these comments are trying to have a good faith discussion about how to organize the archive. Stop trolling and help with the discussion or go home. I'm done.
If you create a tag that distinguishes medium and there's sufficient difference between the two versions (which is admittedly something of a judgement call, because it's hard to create firm guidelines for something like that), they should be sub-tagged to the same meta-tag. There are a number of anime and manga fandoms like that already, including Sailor Moon and Fullmetal Alchemist. If the wrangler for your fandom makes them synonyms, you can submit a support request asking that they be separated (something I have successfully done myself for certain fandoms). But the majority standard in wider English-language anime and manga fandom has typically been to generally consider anime and manga versions of the story to be equivalent, even if there are some variations in storyline, going back a very long time and encompassing organization in everything from huge, multi-fandom archives like shoujoai.com to single-series, multi-user archives to tiny personal websites. This is really AO3 trying to work within community norms for the wider fandom.
That's nice for you, but you're not the only person using the archive, and others have indeed asked that the categories be kept together. I haven't participated in these discussions to date, but if I had, as a writer I would be saying that it would indeed be a huge headache for me if the archive decided to separate the categories. I came into fandom through a writing and reading culture that often takes a bricolage approach to anime and manga canons, and if the archive separated the two I would have no clue where to archive anything.
Obviously, there's no reason standing alone why my preferences and ideas of what's functional should outweigh yours, or vice versa. But it should be equally obvious that your preferences aren't automatically representative of all anime or manga fans, and that the fact that the archive resolved the conflict in a way you personally dislike doesn't mean it's giving "us" lip service about caring about non-Western fandoms. "I don't like this" doesn't mean "Help, help, I'm being oppressed."
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